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Post by Source on May 8, 2018 0:16:07 GMT -5
The question says it all, and I've seen a lot of buzz about it recently! I'm curious how this community feels on this issue.
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Post by bower8899 on May 8, 2018 0:25:24 GMT -5
Maybe jointly with Kim and Moon
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Post by PeaceKeepaGirl on May 8, 2018 0:31:20 GMT -5
Only if he pulls out of several other US conflicts.
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Post by TheSpookyGhost on May 8, 2018 0:33:30 GMT -5
Borderline. The Middle East is much more important to me than North Korea.
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Post by Wonderess on May 8, 2018 0:58:21 GMT -5
I think his actual involvement in the Korean situation has to be assessed. Time and historical perspective will tell if he actually did anything awardable or not.
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Post by Skinner on May 8, 2018 8:40:07 GMT -5
No, literally nothing has changed. North Korea will never actually give up their nuclear weapons. They are just making symbolic concessions like setting their clocks back in order to promote sanctions relief, gain international credibility, divide the US from its allies in Tokyo and Seoul. The North Korean threat remains as poignant as ever and they will be saber-rattling again within a year.
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Post by TheSpookyGhost on May 8, 2018 15:39:14 GMT -5
They are just making symbolic concessions like setting their clocks back in order to... divide the US from its allies in Tokyo and Seoul. How so? The US and South Korea are on the same page, and the South Korean President thanked President Trump for his help in negotiating the upcoming peace deal.
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Post by PeaceKeepaGirl on May 8, 2018 16:00:53 GMT -5
Yeah I'm skeptical anything will actually come out of this in terms of world safety but it's hard to argue our relations with ROK haven't benefitted.
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Post by Skinner on May 8, 2018 18:04:29 GMT -5
Right now it appears as though our relations are benefiting, but this is a mirage of good feelings. The North Koreans have always endeavored to undermine relations between the US and the RoK and there is no reason to think their structural incentives have changed. The North Koreans will either reach a successful deal to freeze their nuclear program (or "destroy" it) in exchange for the US withdrawing from Korea or they will scuttle negotiations claiming that the United States is to blame.
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Post by osouless on May 8, 2018 18:41:09 GMT -5
Since i can't use laughing emojiis i will stick to a time honored classic.
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Post by Source on May 8, 2018 20:18:36 GMT -5
I, like Skinner, am very skeptical of anything meaningful coming of this, but I'm hopeful (as we all should be). If something meaningful does come from all this (Which is subjective, I understand) then I firmly believe he should receive the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Post by TheSpookyGhost on May 8, 2018 21:25:11 GMT -5
The North Koreans will either reach a successful deal to freeze their nuclear program (or "destroy" it) in exchange for the US withdrawing from Korea or they will scuttle negotiations claiming that the United States is to blame. The first option would be a great step towards world peace. The second option would be a return to the status quo, and I fail to see how it would damage our relations with South Korea.
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Post by Skinner on May 9, 2018 4:33:47 GMT -5
No, the first option would leave one of our most important allies vulnerable to invasion by a North Korea that retains its nuclear capabilities. The second would be convince many South Koreans that Washington is an obstacle to peace and should be excluded from Korean affairs.
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Post by TheSpookyGhost on May 9, 2018 17:08:09 GMT -5
No, the first option would leave one of our most important allies vulnerable to invasion by a North Korea that retains its nuclear capabilities. The second would be convince many South Koreans that Washington is an obstacle to peace and should be excluded from Korean affairs. Right because the South Korean army surely can't defend against the North Korean army, and you're never going to be convinced that North Korea is destroying its nukes until we invade the country. You're a joke, skinner. You're a neocon shill that just wants us to perpetually be at war.
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Post by Skinner on May 10, 2018 15:55:32 GMT -5
No, the first option would leave one of our most important allies vulnerable to invasion by a North Korea that retains its nuclear capabilities. The second would be convince many South Koreans that Washington is an obstacle to peace and should be excluded from Korean affairs. Right because the South Korean army surely can't defend against the North Korean army, and you're never going to be convinced that North Korea is destroying its nukes until we invade the country. You're a joke, skinner. You're a neocon shill that just wants us to perpetually be at war. Yes, there are good reasons to believe South Korea would lose a war with North Korea without American intervention. North Korea invests nearly all of their resources into the military and the result has been one of the most capable militaries on Earth. You're correct that I will never be convinced that North Korea is actually dismantling their nukes because they have no incentive to do that. That's not a joke, that is the structural reality of how this regime intends to remain in power and to reunify the Koreas on its terms. If you believe Pyongyang will give up all its nuclear weapons, then I have some beachfront property for you in Nevada.
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Post by TheSpookyGhost on May 14, 2018 3:34:47 GMT -5
Right because the South Korean army surely can't defend against the North Korean army, and you're never going to be convinced that North Korea is destroying its nukes until we invade the country. You're a joke, skinner. You're a neocon shill that just wants us to perpetually be at war. Yes, there are good reasons to believe South Korea would lose a war with North Korea without American intervention. North Korea invests nearly all of their resources into the military and the result has been one of the most capable militaries on Earth. You're correct that I will never be convinced that North Korea is actually dismantling their nukes because they have no incentive to do that. That's not a joke, that is the structural reality of how this regime intends to remain in power and to reunify the Koreas on its terms. If you believe Pyongyang will give up all its nuclear weapons, then I have some beachfront property for you in Nevada. That's not true at all. North Korea has such a tiny GDP that "all of their resources" amount to very little. In fact, South Korea has a military budget 3.6 times larger than that of North Korea, and the North's entire air force and navy are all outdated. Kim Jong Un absolutely has the incentive to dismantle its nukes, and it has even come out recently that Kim has promised to allow the UN to inspect its nuclear facilities. Kim went to university in the West, and he saw how much better the quality of life is here. Kim wants to open up his country just like the Soviet Union and China did in the 1980s and 90s. It's the natural course of a Communist country as they realize what a failed political philosophy Communism is. I bet you thought China and the Soviet Union weren't going to give up Communism either.
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Post by TheSpookyGhost on May 24, 2018 18:52:56 GMT -5
Welp. If he did before, he doesn't anymore.
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Post by dantejs on Jul 5, 2018 18:04:51 GMT -5
To be frank, what happened in North Korea was barely due to Trump. Kim and Moon were already getting close to reaching peace, and it was directly because of this closeness NK even suggested the summit with the US. Trump came in, shook hands, and claimed it was all him which caused this peace. That one minor victory doesn't even begin to excuse him for the mass murder caused by his administration in Jerusalem. I believe he would be a fine candidate for the prize, but not a deserving winner.
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