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Post by bower8899 on May 13, 2018 18:54:00 GMT -5
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Post by mramerica on May 13, 2018 19:22:43 GMT -5
Nay. He was too sympathetic to the crimes committed by Collin and Lucaval..
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Post by osouless on May 14, 2018 10:36:22 GMT -5
I was too sympathetic? I was the first to vote against them.
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Post by mramerica on May 14, 2018 11:24:09 GMT -5
This is what you said regarding the corruption:
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Legend. Show the people how you pulled strings and then cut all the strings. Love it. Mic drop into the sunset and f**k it all to hell. Beautiful to witness honestly.β
ββAwesome. Absolutely 100% f*****g awesome. CollinMatthew iβd like to say i suspected, and while i did realize you were doing more to control VC then you let on, never imagined this level of commitment. Very cool. Hats off to you and lucaval. In the conversations we had, i knew you were βtelling meβ how to vote and things like that, but never minded because youβre a liberal and iβm a liberal and you only really told me to do things i already wanted to do. Thanks for letting us peek into the VCβs history!β
You were clearly sympathetic.
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Post by osouless on May 14, 2018 21:50:48 GMT -5
Being impressed by an action, being sympathetic to said action, and condoning said action are all different things. I admit to the first, will agree to disagree on the second, and vehemently deny the third. What he and lucaval did was stunning. I stand by my statements. However, it was illegal and i voted as such during the trial. To put this into context, i loathe authoritarians, yet am deeply impressed and stunned by the rise of famous examples such as Stalin, Hitler, etc. I find it fascinating how they trick the general populace into following their lead and lulling them into complacency.
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Post by Source on May 15, 2018 11:25:39 GMT -5
I'll admit that I was the one who abstained, but I'll vote Yea. I just don't think osouless really condoned their behavior, and it is indeed evidenced by the way he voted on the Supreme Court concerning their ban.
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Post by osouless on May 15, 2018 19:40:29 GMT -5
Thank you Source. I've tried to be upfront about my thoughts, but people seem to only read the words they choose to.
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Post by Bertgoldberg.. on May 16, 2018 18:24:00 GMT -5
He said he would have done it if he thought of it. Shame someone who condones such lawlessness will continue to oversee the highest court
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Post by Source on May 16, 2018 22:45:23 GMT -5
He said he would have done it if he thought of it. Shame someone who condones such lawlessness will continue to oversee the highest court Where did he say that? I didn't hear/see anything about that. I'm honestly curious. Also, are you the REAL BertGoldberg? This account was registered and then deleted after this comment was made.
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Post by bertgoldberg on May 17, 2018 6:59:00 GMT -5
He said he would have done it if he thought of it. Shame someone who condones such lawlessness will continue to oversee the highest court Where did he say that? I didn't hear/see anything about that. I'm honestly curious. Also, are you the REAL BertGoldberg? This account was registered and then deleted after this comment was made. I couldnβt log in and used guest for the comment. I proposed a case On the old site aimed at disbarring osouless for his comments, he said it. mramerica can confirm, and he also said that he was aware of CM telling him how to vote but it didnβt matter since he was a liberal and neglected to mention that in some cases where CMs Alts were being banned. It appears heβs been confirmed at this point though, itβs a shame
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Post by osouless on May 19, 2018 12:04:48 GMT -5
Source, Bert is correct in relaying the WORDS i used, but not the SPIRIT in which they were used nor the CONTEXT. Despite that however, i forgive him. Collin did at many points in time message me about certain bills or ban cases or nominations that i hadn't voted on yet. "Make sure to vote yes on _____" Or "Make sure to vote against ____ because he's a lunatic" things like that. His views aligned with mine so i never bothered to complain about the fact that his tonality at times bordered on ordering rather than reminding/whipping the vote. He one time told me directly HOW to vote on a court case, and i flat told him that while that was how i was going to end up voting on the court case anyways, he should never ever tell me how to vote because of how that would in turn jeopardize my decisions. I told him that we agreed on most things and to just trust i would vote in line with my principals. He never told me what to do after that, and returned to just reminding me to vote on bills. No harm no foul.
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Post by osouless on May 19, 2018 12:05:06 GMT -5
Sorry forgot to @source
EDIT: Hmmm. I don't know how to @ apparently
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Post by Source on May 19, 2018 18:00:50 GMT -5
Source, Bert is correct in relaying the WORDS i used, but not the SPIRIT in which they were used nor the CONTEXT. Despite that however, i forgive him. Collin did at many points in time message me about certain bills or ban cases or nominations that i hadn't voted on yet. "Make sure to vote yes on _____" Or "Make sure to vote against ____ because he's a lunatic" things like that. His views aligned with mine so i never bothered to complain about the fact that his tonality at times bordered on ordering rather than reminding/whipping the vote. He one time told me directly HOW to vote on a court case, and i flat told him that while that was how i was going to end up voting on the court case anyways, he should never ever tell me how to vote because of how that would in turn jeopardize my decisions. I told him that we agreed on most things and to just trust i would vote in line with my principals. He never told me what to do after that, and returned to just reminding me to vote on bills. No harm no foul. While the words are concerning, I get it. I don't think you're here to harm VC, otherwise, you likely would have left VC when things started falling apart (Like Collin and Lucaval). I believe that most everyone who has remained is here because they care about this community. I've also messaged plenty of my right-leaning colleagues on how to vote and why, so I just count that as whipping votes! Here's to a fresh start - I'm glad you're here.
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Post by osouless on May 20, 2018 11:30:33 GMT -5
Thanks Source. Glad someone understands. I was never aware of the depth of Collin and Lucaval's control on the VC, i merely saw them as overly involved individuals, not puppet masters.
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